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my name is hector lugo and i'm the

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founder of the 10th dimension paranormal

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group

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and that was after a massive heart

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attack and after death after life

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experience i knew what i had to do so i

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formed a particular group in actuality

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the members that we have in this group

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are the original members from 10 years

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ago so we've stuck together all these

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years and we've traveled all over

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my first experience with paranormal or

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ghost hunting as people refer to it as

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was when i was seven years old when i

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had my first ghostly encounter and it

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kept continuing over the years i mean

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it just kept going going finally and my

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freshman year in college it got really

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really big things started happening

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where other people were witnessing it

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other students in college were seeing

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these entities as they were trying to

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communicate with me

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and i

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formed my first group back in 1969 1970

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and i've been investigating ever since

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and i've

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always found that there's

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god didn't put just us

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on this planet or in the universe

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there's more to it and a lot of the

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questions are

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is there life after death and we're

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trying to find that answer and a lot of

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us do too with our heritage our ancestry

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because a lot of the people in our group

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were all native american indians

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we have lakota we have cherokee we have

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potawatomi we have tiano so we get

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together and we do a lot of things that

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the normal paranormal group wouldn't do

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we also are not afraid to investigate

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anywhere in the world we've traveled

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part of our group has traveled to

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ireland england we travel all across the

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united states we have four branches we

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have a florida branch a boonville branch

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a kansas city branch and an oklahoma

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branch and they will investigate

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different locations report back to us

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and let us know what they've done we

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evaluate the evidence with them

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now

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i'm real particular about how we

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investigate as a tenth dimension because

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we don't charge

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we go out and do this at our own expense

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we have attorneys we have doctors we

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have nurses we have law enforcement in

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our group so everything that's done is

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done

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right on up i mean there's no

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embellishing and no hiding or making

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stuff up it's what we get is what you

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get we present it to you you decide

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if you look at our t-shirt from the

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conference it says what do you think

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that is our logo is what do you think we

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ask that all the time

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and that's why we had the t-shirt

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designed the way it was

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we also

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don't provoke we believe you can get

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more with a piece of candy than you can

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with a rock so we're always nice to the

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spirits when we try to interact with

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them and i think the spirits appreciate

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that more we get incredible

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communications like this morning when i

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presented my you know speech there was

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evps in there and everybody's on the

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edge of the seat listening to it because

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they can't believe that this is a spirit

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talking but you can definitely tell

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um and

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i think that this is something that i'll

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probably do until the day i die you know

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um it's a

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something that i have questions for

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and there's

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some answers i've gotten but there's a

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lot of answers i have not gotten to and

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i'm going to continue going as much as i

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can helping people

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that call us and help them the spirits

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too because they need as much help as

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the people that are

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making contact with them

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now my personal opinion on whether

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there's a connection between ufos and

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entities

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yes

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and the reason i say that is because i

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have taken pictures

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of a alien species sitting in a chair

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with an orb like a crystal and there's a

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spirit next to them and they're review

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they're looking at something like it's

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almost like a review plus i've seen

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pictures taken in saint augustine at the

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lighthouse that the curator showed me it

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was of aliens and a spirit there an

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alien speaking of two little ghost kids

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and a ufo above it

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and i also think that

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bitfoot in particular has paranormal

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abilities it can telepathy control

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it can hide itself that interdimensional

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travel

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you know it's a possibility

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you know when you have

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we as a society as humans

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we have the belief that there's things

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out there more than what we are entitled

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or knowledgeable of we have questions

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but half of that society

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are scientific and need concrete proof

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evidence

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and you really are not going to find

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that actually no for bigfoot they

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haven't found a bigfoot yet the ufos

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that keep saying ufos that's the closest

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they've come to finding evidence and i

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think that they're pretty much close to

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for thousands of years great evidence

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but with the all high technology now the

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internet and all that

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everybody debunks or tries to say that's

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photoshopped or whatever the case so

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it's hard to prove the evidence

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think it is

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the ufos

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well i'm telling you i've seen ufos i

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like to think they were ufos they could

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have been american-made i don't know but

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these things that what happened with

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these ufos i don't think we're that

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advanced

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the bigfoot i haven't had no encounters

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the ghosts i've had

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tons tons and tons i can talk about

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spirits all day long now this i have

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neither have i seen an actual spirit of

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an alien except for the pictures we saw

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today when people pointed out

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that's an alien in your picture of that

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head coming out of the wall

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and i'm looking i'm like wow i didn't

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know i was so focused on the head i

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didn't see the aliens standing there

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looking at it so

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it's you present what you have

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and sometimes

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the audience or the people out there

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tell you wow you missed this and i'm

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like whoa okay or the evps we hear

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something that says i love you and they

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say it's saying how are you you know so

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it depends on what your interpretation

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is and we thought out there you decide

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that's why we always say what do you

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think and yeah ufos

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and even the bigfoot i think all three

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is a triangle they're they're related i

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think that there's a connection between

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this casey pericon conference is going

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to have to be adoptable it's going to

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have to adjust to all the changes that

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are coming up because you have people we

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don't know what's going to come up in

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the next three four or five years there

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may be a big landing of ufo somewhere

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that's going to dominate the news that's

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going to dominate the conferences or

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somebody finally gets a bigfoot

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or somebody actually a tv crew goes out

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and they actually capture a spirit and

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they present on tv like you see it in or

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something so it depends on the media

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what is out there that kind of leads you

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in what you want to present we have this

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paramount casey pericon conference and

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what i like to think is that the people

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that we bring in

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are pretty good experts in their field

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they have a lot of knowledge that they

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want to share and a lot of information

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they want to share how they present that

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that's up to them we put the platform

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out there the stage is set up if you

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want to do a talk

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session if you want to do a presentation

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or just a speech

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it's up to you it's a free freedom

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speech you go up there and present it

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and we'll we're going to listen because

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we're interested these people paid to

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come to see what they you know they have

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their choices somebody here from bigfoot

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ghost ufos but when that particular

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individual speaks that they're

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interested in they're going to move up

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to the front and they're going to ask

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questions they're going to be involved

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let's say it's a

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bigfoot speaker coming up well the ufo

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and the ghost people are going to move

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to the back and the big people are going

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to move to the front because they're

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going to be really intrigued by it this

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vice versa same thing goes with the

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ghosts and the you know ufos so for that

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reason we want to make our conference

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where it includes everything you know

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next year might be chupacabra somebody

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comes in or you know it may be somebody

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coming in talking about you know obama

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with you know the white house being

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haunted you know

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it could we don't know we just don't

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know we just know that

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every year we're going to try to bring

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in a whole new set of speakers or

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at least six or seven new speakers have

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we want to keep a little local touch and

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then we'll do like we did you know bring

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in the tv crews invite them to come out

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and you know people like you guys and

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just enjoy it enjoy for what it is

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these are people's beliefs you know and

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people

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i get question all the time you know

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when we do this

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casey prayer con

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one of the things that's always asked is

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you're doing this prayer con on ufos

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you're doing it on bigfoot you're doing

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a what whatever

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and sometimes

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religion brought up and um people faith

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why isn't anybody talking about god that

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created all this and all that well if

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there's a speaker that wants to do that

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you know hey we'll bring them in but a

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lot of the focus not on religion a lot

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of focus on the abstract which is

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well i've done so many and they're all

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really real there's about 10 that'll be

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up there in the top but i'm going to

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tell you about one in particular that i

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think is incredible because there was

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witnesses to it

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that was in spartanburg south carolina

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two friends my wife and i were going to

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go to the movies and we live out in the

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country on blacktop road name of the

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and these people that were taking us

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we were going with were born and raised

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there they knew that

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back of the hand

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no if

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we got in the car we drove about 100

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yards from our house

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on the left

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all of a sudden he slowed down under the

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scene on a field for hundreds of yards

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wide and at least two or three hundred

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yards long

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figures start appearing

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it was slaves picking cotton

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and the far back as you can see the

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slaves and the males were in the back

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picking up bales of cotton and putting

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them in a wagon and there was huts there

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but right in front of me no further than

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10 feet away

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was a black lady ben over looked like

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aunt jemima and she was picking cotton

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and putting it when her apron was held

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up like this she's filling up the blood

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from the thorns and she looked at me and

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a tear came down

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and she had you know just incredible and

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there was a guy on a horse a white man

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on a horse he had jeans he had an old

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t-shirt and he had a shotgun going

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across his lap

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and he had his hair

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pitched by him perfect back and he was

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tanned

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and he looked at me and he just grinned

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and i chewed the back on his mouth and

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he just looked at the black lady and

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spit at her and i looked at him and i

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tried to get out of that car because i

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thought that was so wrong and he just

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looked at me and grinned then the whole

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thing started fading his horse it was a

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beautiful horse just started fading and

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he started fading and the people

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everything faded all the way back

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and we stood there for like a minute

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after it was over with and the

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people with us had no idea what was

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going on and they're like what just

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happened my wife and i looked at each

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other

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and she goes

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there was a message in that we don't

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know what it was and and that wasn't the

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first time we've had others like that

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but that was the one that was most

335
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prominent because she was so close and

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she was so adamant about

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that tear coming down

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and like

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like i could do something about it but i

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couldn't i couldn't i mean i did what i

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could

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and i removed the scene

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but i got a feeling that even though i

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removed the scene that is still going on

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she's still picking cotton to this day

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it's something that's going to happen

347
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forever it's it's it's imprinted

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in

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a dimension

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and there's

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that's why we call ourselves the tenth

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dimension because we think there's two

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dimensions different phases everybody go

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through i think hers and that group of

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individuals is stuck in the dimension

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until they get help

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and hopefully they've received that help

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by now

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that was the most intriguing that's one

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of the i put that one in the top ten i

361
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mean there's been others that have been

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actually more physical or more dramatic

363
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or even more colorful but that one was

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one where that left

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a feeling of

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like

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what can i do how can i help but i can't

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you know no i couldn't do nothing that

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day

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and that's that sucks

371
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and in my particular field and i deal

372
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strictly with the ghost hunting and

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there's a reason for it um because

374
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i've always had the ability from seven

375
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years of age to see spirits i don't know

376
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when i can

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i can't control it i can hear them i can

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see them i can feel them and the people

379
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tell me to go stand in the corner and

380
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take a picture because they know that

381
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the spirits will come up to me and i

382
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know why they do that because in 2000 i

383
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had a i passed away i died for 12

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minutes

385
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so i crossed over and saw what's on the

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other side when i came back a lot of

387
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spirits are like want to know who i am

388
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touch me like how did you get to come

389
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back we are so there's an attachment

390
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there's something special there

391
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but that's not to say that

392
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other people can't experience that and

393
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it's it's really a good

394
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feeling when you go out and you're

395
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positive about it what we're getting

396
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here is too much

397
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bs from the media tv shows they always

398
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want to present the negative they always

399
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want to embellish i mean we've had tv

400
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shows call us and we get down to the

401
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final

402
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part where we're getting ready to sign

403
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the contract and they say well we want

404
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to do this and that and i'm like you

405
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know if you're not going to tell our

406
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story the way it happens we're not

407
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signing and i don't you know if this is

408
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the way it happened you don't need to

409
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change it for the sake of tv

410
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because they want to

411
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negative themselves scary stuff sells

412
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99 of the entities that we encountered

413
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over all the years have always been

414
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really really good entities they're

415
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people just like you and i the only

416
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difference is they don't have the body

417
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to deal with and they're waiting they're

418
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sitting there waiting for further

419
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instruction further guidance so they

420
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find a spot to wait and sometimes

421
00:14:05,990 --> 00:14:03,760
they've waited a long time

422
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and a long time compared to us for us

423
00:14:09,350 --> 00:14:07,839
now for them it's not very long and

424
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they're getting patient and they see

425
00:14:12,629 --> 00:14:11,199
something that looks similar to them or

426
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they acknowledge it so they want to

427
00:14:15,430 --> 00:14:13,920
communicate

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what do we do we have groups go under

429
00:14:19,430 --> 00:14:17,680
and say come on out and touch me or do

430
00:14:20,790 --> 00:14:19,440
this or cuss at them and everything

431
00:14:21,990 --> 00:14:20,800
those spirits don't do nothing or they

432
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get mad and

433
00:14:25,750 --> 00:14:23,839
do something to them you ask for it you

434
00:14:27,430 --> 00:14:25,760
get it we ask

435
00:14:29,990 --> 00:14:27,440
for respect we ask for trust and

436
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kindness and we get that and we've had

437
00:14:34,629 --> 00:14:32,880
incredible encounters that you just i

438
00:14:35,750 --> 00:14:34,639
don't know if you got to see my speech

439
00:14:37,990 --> 00:14:35,760
today but

440
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there's evps there's

441
00:14:42,470 --> 00:14:39,920
videos and there's pictures there

442
00:14:43,670 --> 00:14:42,480
that everything but an angel was in

443
00:14:45,189 --> 00:14:43,680
those pictures

444
00:14:46,949 --> 00:14:45,199
and i think that there's a reason for

445
00:14:47,750 --> 00:14:46,959
that but these particular entities were

446
00:14:49,590 --> 00:14:47,760
just

447
00:14:52,629 --> 00:14:49,600
reaching out

448
00:14:55,750 --> 00:14:52,639
trying to communicate and trying to seek

449
00:14:57,750 --> 00:14:55,760
either help or advice and that's what we

450
00:14:59,189 --> 00:14:57,760
do you know we go out and we try to help

451
00:15:00,069 --> 00:14:59,199
and i think that the other paranormal

452
00:15:02,069 --> 00:15:00,079
groups

453
00:15:03,750 --> 00:15:02,079
you know they need to realize that these

454
00:15:04,949 --> 00:15:03,760
spirits are there

455
00:15:07,189 --> 00:15:04,959
before us

456
00:15:09,110 --> 00:15:07,199
we're looking for them when we do go get

457
00:15:11,189 --> 00:15:09,120
a call and we go find them they have to

458
00:15:13,189 --> 00:15:11,199
respect that particular entity that

459
00:15:14,790 --> 00:15:13,199
entity did not hurt the people because

460
00:15:16,550 --> 00:15:14,800
the people wouldn't have called us you

461
00:15:18,150 --> 00:15:16,560
know like this thing is getting ready to

462
00:15:20,230 --> 00:15:18,160
kill me right now i'm not saying it's

463
00:15:22,150 --> 00:15:20,240
all of them i said 99 because there's

464
00:15:23,509 --> 00:15:22,160
that one percent where spirit does get

465
00:15:24,949 --> 00:15:23,519
way out of whack and does hurt people

466
00:15:27,350 --> 00:15:24,959
and like we did that

467
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the tvs the bio channel where that

468
00:15:31,750 --> 00:15:28,320
spirit

469
00:15:33,509 --> 00:15:31,760
did hurt people and that happens but you

470
00:15:36,629 --> 00:15:33,519
have to learn how to deal with it we

471
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practice we research we obtain as much

472
00:15:40,710 --> 00:15:38,399
knowledge as possible before we go to

473
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any particular case

474
00:15:45,990 --> 00:15:42,560
so we're prepared we don't want to go in

475
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and get surprised or scared off you know

476
00:15:50,069 --> 00:15:47,839
you have your faith in your intent and

477
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knowledge about the situation you can go

478
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in and you can deal with just about

479
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anything if you're doing it with good

480
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intent

481
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and i think a lot of a lot of the groups

482
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need to realize that um

483
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we're if you're doing it for the reason

484
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of going to tv if you're doing it for

485
00:16:05,590 --> 00:16:03,120
the ego and going out there and saying i

486
00:16:08,870 --> 00:16:05,600
want to do this so i can be on

487
00:16:10,230 --> 00:16:08,880
sci-fi channel and make big money

488
00:16:11,590 --> 00:16:10,240
you know that's

489
00:16:13,509 --> 00:16:11,600
kudos for you go out and do it but

490
00:16:16,150 --> 00:16:13,519
that's what's making this paranormal

491
00:16:17,910 --> 00:16:16,160
thing a little suspect because

492
00:16:19,990 --> 00:16:17,920
we know that they do things because

493
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they're under pressure you have 40 hours

494
00:16:25,269 --> 00:16:22,399
the first eight hours the 312s that

495
00:16:27,430 --> 00:16:25,279
perform that particular episode so you

496
00:16:28,949 --> 00:16:27,440
go to a location if there's no activity

497
00:16:31,350 --> 00:16:28,959
you got to make it up otherwise you're

498
00:16:33,350 --> 00:16:31,360
going to lose your audience and you have

499
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to make it exciting and that for that

500
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reason i don't pay too much attention to

501
00:16:38,710 --> 00:16:36,800
these shows other than see

502
00:16:39,910 --> 00:16:38,720
what kind of new equipment they have or

503
00:16:41,590 --> 00:16:39,920
you know what what kind of new

504
00:16:43,509 --> 00:16:41,600
techniques they may have that might be

505
00:16:45,990 --> 00:16:43,519
used by a group you know the flashlight

506
00:16:49,030 --> 00:16:46,000
thing by taps that's a good i like that

507
00:16:51,269 --> 00:16:49,040
we use that and we last week we had

508
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three there was we went to a gym

509
00:16:54,230 --> 00:16:52,480
and three

510
00:16:55,430 --> 00:16:54,240
police officers showed up

511
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and they said what are you all doing i

512
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said we're getting reinvestigated he

513
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said your police officers and now we're

514
00:17:00,870 --> 00:16:59,440
investigating ghosts

515
00:17:02,389 --> 00:17:00,880
oh that's a bunch of crap i said why

516
00:17:04,150 --> 00:17:02,399
don't you do this why don't you come

517
00:17:05,029 --> 00:17:04,160
back in an hour and sit through our

518
00:17:07,110 --> 00:17:05,039
session

519
00:17:08,949 --> 00:17:07,120
i said okay an hour later they returned

520
00:17:11,270 --> 00:17:08,959
we're in the gym we set down the

521
00:17:12,949 --> 00:17:11,280
flashlight and they said i said try it

522
00:17:14,549 --> 00:17:12,959
walk around bang do whatever you can to

523
00:17:15,270 --> 00:17:14,559
start that flashlight they couldn't do

524
00:17:17,350 --> 00:17:15,280
it

525
00:17:19,429 --> 00:17:17,360
i said diane start the session

526
00:17:21,429 --> 00:17:19,439
diane says on the count of three the

527
00:17:23,510 --> 00:17:21,439
spirit here can you turn on the light

528
00:17:24,789 --> 00:17:23,520
she counted one two three

529
00:17:27,029 --> 00:17:24,799
light came on

530
00:17:29,430 --> 00:17:27,039
we're videotaping this and for an hour

531
00:17:31,270 --> 00:17:29,440
and a half that spirit communicated

532
00:17:33,350 --> 00:17:31,280
those police officers when they walked

533
00:17:35,270 --> 00:17:33,360
out of there i finally asked well what

534
00:17:37,590 --> 00:17:35,280
do you think now

535
00:17:38,870 --> 00:17:37,600
there's ghosts there's ghosts they exist

536
00:17:41,110 --> 00:17:38,880
and all three officers were walking

537
00:17:42,789 --> 00:17:41,120
there talking and one put his flashlight

538
00:17:45,190 --> 00:17:42,799
down was the big old flashlight they

539
00:17:47,190 --> 00:17:45,200
actually used his excess extra weapon

540
00:17:48,950 --> 00:17:47,200
and i said you know

541
00:17:50,390 --> 00:17:48,960
i know what you want to do you want that

542
00:17:52,070 --> 00:17:50,400
spirit to turn on your flashlight and i

543
00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:52,080
said and it probably will but let me

544
00:17:55,990 --> 00:17:53,360
tell you something

545
00:17:58,549 --> 00:17:56,000
if that spirit likes your flashlight he

546
00:18:00,150 --> 00:17:58,559
might attach himself to it not let it go

547
00:18:02,630 --> 00:18:00,160
you put that flashlight back in your

548
00:18:04,310 --> 00:18:02,640
holster he's gonna maybe follow you

549
00:18:05,350 --> 00:18:04,320
i said are you okay you all right you

550
00:18:07,430 --> 00:18:05,360
you okay with that you wanna leave your

551
00:18:08,870 --> 00:18:07,440
flashlight down there that officer bend

552
00:18:11,029 --> 00:18:08,880
over picked up his flashlight but he

553
00:18:13,590 --> 00:18:11,039
said no i changed my mind

554
00:18:15,350 --> 00:18:13,600
so you know it depends but you know

555
00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:15,360
the skeptics the non-believers the ones

556
00:18:18,710 --> 00:18:16,480
on the fence

557
00:18:19,590 --> 00:18:18,720
they're intrigued but they're for some

558
00:18:21,430 --> 00:18:19,600
reason

559
00:18:23,270 --> 00:18:21,440
i don't know what it is they have to

560
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have the concrete proof and we're

561
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dealing with an abstract world so it

562
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makes it very very hard to prove what

563
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isn't there it's just like

564
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jesus going to church he praying to

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jesus god

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i had a lady say you shouldn't talk

567
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about ghosts and she just got out of

568
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church

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i said i'll handle this because i can't

570
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believe that she just said that when she

571
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saw i said why are you going to church

572
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i'm going to go praise god and jesus i

573
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said have you seen god have you met him

574
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no

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but you're going to talk to him and go

576
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somebody else talk to you about jesus i

577
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said i believe in jesus i believe in god

578
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but isn't it the same concept we're

579
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talking the ghosts because we believe

580
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they're there and they're talking back

581
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to ours talked back to us as jesus

582
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talked back to you

583
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no but i understand what you're saying

584
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yeah i apologize i i understand so she's

585
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not that little thank you she walked off

586
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and that's what you get sometimes people

587
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have this

588
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uh dog mom or whatever you want to call

589
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it

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this is the way we're brought up this is

591
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our beliefs because that's the way we

592
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were taught and sometimes society is led

593
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that way remember when you're a kid that

594
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said i saw imaginary friend shh don't

595
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say that don't do that now a lot of

596
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people say well okay you know just be

597
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careful with them and they let it go

598
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because psychiatrists are even saying

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you know let them live out their

600
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imaginations well some of it's not

601
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imagination they actually have little

602
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friends that you know stay with them so

603
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for that reason i think that

604
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the paranormal groups if you're going to

605
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do paranormal investigating

606
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do it right do it 100 right don't go out

607
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there and be there's going to be hobby

608
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groups there's going to be groups like

609
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ours and just the tv groups

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and

611
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the other two groups they're doing it

612
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for money they're doing it because they

613
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think it's a cool thing to do and a lot

614
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of times these little hobby groups that

615
00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:01,760
do like high school kids and college

616
00:20:05,510 --> 00:20:03,840
kids let's go to the cemetery well

617
00:20:07,430 --> 00:20:05,520
they're at the cemetery talking to

618
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spirits drinking beer smoking whatever

619
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having a good time all of a sudden

620
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things happen and they scream and freak

621
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out then they come calling us and saying

622
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we have a spirit following us and all

623
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this and that well why'd you do that you

624
00:20:19,350 --> 00:20:18,480
know you know they don't understand it

625
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so

626
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to be put out and that's why we have the

627
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casey pericon and why we address issues

628
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not just to give people knowledge of how

629
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to do it but why not to do it if you're

630
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going to do it or do it correctly the

631
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10th dimension paranormal group does

632
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have a website we actually have numerous

633
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ones uh 10th dimension

634
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paranormalgroup.com

635
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and we also have um

636
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you know we share with them mufon and we

637
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have

638
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and i put out my number i make no bones

639
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:02,470
the 816-797-6577

640
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of what's going on in their house and i

641
00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:05,760
tell them on the phone this is what you

642
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:07,360
can do and a lot of times they're

643
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:09,360
calling back said it worked you know and

644
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and that's what we do i mean

645
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it's good that they say

646
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i looked on the internet and i saw your

647
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website and i called you because i

648
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:18,000
thought your website and i saw the

649
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information

650
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so they give instead of calling the

651
00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:21,679
group right there same long distance

652
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:24,720
phone call i mean why not and one we got

653
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last week was from indiana she was

654
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screaming and yelling

655
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and i she says i saw your website i need

656
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to talk to you and i said okay so we

657
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talked about how far and i said

658
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:34,880
you know i'm in kansas city don't you

659
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:36,159
she goes

660
00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:38,159
no i didn't read that far down i said

661
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:39,440
well yeah we're in kansas city let me

662
00:21:44,149 --> 00:21:41,520
contact the group for you in

663
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indianapolis and they'll contact you and

664
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you need to address it with them because

665
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we can't help from this disclaimer i'm

666
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:48,240
getting ready to do a conference i just

667
00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:49,919
don't have time to go up there so i did

668
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after we hung up i text a group that was

669
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right in our city and i said call

670
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contact her and give him a little heads

671
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up and you know go

672
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address it and i haven't heard back that

673
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was a couple weeks ago but that's what

674
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you need to do you know and i i think

675
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with our

676
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website and facebook page and all that

677
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we try to

678
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advertise and you know put things out

679
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there about what we do when we have

680
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fundraisers and events and how we

681
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investigate and

682
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:18,720
let the people out to know that there's

683
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help to be gotten if you just search in

684
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:23,120
the right places and our facebook site